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“I thought I’d throw out a few suggestions for things that aikido folks could probably learn from judo folks to make themselves more well-rounded. Fear not – tomorrow I’ll give you a few suggestions for ways judo guys could lean from aikido guys.”
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These are good suggestions. However, I don’t think we need to change Aikido. It would be better if aikidoka just found competent judo instructors to learn some judo from. There is a spectrum of approaches to aikido and more broadly, the martial arts. It would be better if individuals learned to transcend their parochial preferences and “tribalism” and judge each approach according to the integrity of what it promises and what it delivers.
Some of us do not start our martial paths in the freshness of youth, and most of us can afford only so much out of our time and financial budget to apply to martial arts. So we have to make choices. If someone wants to pursue multiple arts, that’s great. However, I’ve seen some pretty sloppy technique among those who didn’t have the consistency of focus to learn one thing well before moving on to the next.
As far as MMA knuckleheads go, I don’t care the tiniest amount for the opinion of knuckleheads, of any stripe.
“ashiwaza – just like with koshinage, judo makes a detailed study of ashiwaza (leg techniques or footsweeps) that are mostly ignored in aikido. This is unfortunate because footsweeps teach you an immense amount about balance and timing and footwork”…adding Osotogari or Deashibari to Shihonage…excellent.
and you better know Judo style Ukemi if you try it.
Its funny that for all the talk in Aikido about love and harmony and other BS, Aikidoka never miss an opportunity to take a swipe at MMA guys. Why are you so threatend? Could it be that the MMA guys actually put there asses on the line to test what they practice while Aikido guys stay safely within the confines of there own dojo and friends? Funny I never hear Aikido guys make these remarks in the presence of an MMA guy. Too Scared your precious art of peace wont save you in a real conflict?
The author implies that studying techniques of judo will make one a more well-rounded student of aikido. I disagree. Those techniques will make you a more well-rounded martial artist in general, but so will the techniques of karate and muay thai and boxing and sambo. For all I know, curling will also help: those guys look pretty centered to me. If I want to be a more well-rounded student of aikido, I should study the various styles of aikido, like Yoshinkan and Tomiki and Iwama and Ki Society.
and De ashi barai…
Excellent suggestions. IMO – sutemi waza is related to kaeshi waza. Some consideration of chokes would also be appropriate. As for groundwork, my wrestling background has been useful. Mostly I have used it to escape situations which would have involved protracted ground fighting and get back into a more mobile situation, like suwari waza.
It’s good to have scouts out there providing such recommendations. I for one am interested in leveraging aikido with some add-ons, meaning that when we add-on we maintain the original standpoint (there is no “them”). De ashi barai was my favorite technique when I used to do judo. It’s got beautiful leading and requires faster than thought timing to execute. It’s an obvious technique (attack) to watch out for when standing in hanmi. In Aikido, osoto-gari becomes tenchi-nage. Tehnchi-nage is more forgiving to an uke not able to take the breakfall and works without having to grab uke. Good point about the breakfalls if you do Koshi-nage (we usually just load). Attempting Koshinage with a non-receptive parter could easily transition to a situation where wrestling skills would very useful (per Charles). We do a kimora kokyunage sometimes which is a bridge to BJJ.
Yoseikan Budo already has done this since it’s founding.
and a little more here…
Nice video Taisho
Yoseikan video’s here…
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